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Educate Yourself: The Blocking System!

Journal Entry: Wed Aug 27, 2014, 7:02 PM
The block tool can be both your greatest ally, and your most fearful enemy...

But seriously, blocking can go both ways. You can block someone and they can send people to bother you, or you can block someone and that will be the end of that.

In fact, the blocking system is supposed to prevent contact in any form to anyone that you've blocked. That includes you too.




FAQs



Q: Are there any rules for the blocking system?


You can block anyone for any reason, they might not like it, but it's nothing that's against any policies.

However, if you bypass a block, whether from a group or another deviant, it's considered block-evasion and you can get suspended or banned for attempting it.

Q: But how do you block someone?


Simple, just go to your settings on the drop down menu under your username on the header-bar and click "General".

Blocking 1 by ThatWasLeftHanded
The different settings pages.

After that, scroll down until you see a big white box.

Blocking 2 by ThatWasLeftHanded
The block list.

And enter a person's username (with the exception of their username symbol.

You can also block someone through the pencil button at the corner of every comment on your profile.

Q: How many people can I block? Is there even a limit?


Currently, the block list does have a limit, which is 500.

FAQ #641: I need to block more than 500 people from my User Page. Is this possible?

However it may increase over time (as it did before).




Thank you for reading, and remember: Stay devious :fella:

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:iconcmc--scootaloo:
The way this blocking system works here is utter shit and I'm not sorry for saying it as drastic as it is.
It's meant to protect artists here from others here who harass or cyber-bullying them, but at the end of the day, it gets used more often by artists who just can't stand critique or who are arrogant enough to block you "just because they can" then by artists who are really harrassed and want to block the harrassers.
The way the system works right now gives too much opportunities of abuse by the artists who use it and is a power the artists here shouldn't have, as they have proven countless times.
I was just banned from an artist's page just for saying what I thought about one of his picture and his taste about certain jokes and it's not the first time something like this happened.
And if that wouldn't be already worse enough, if an artist has blocked you have literally no way of contacting anymore, which makes it impossible to settle differences.
You can't even make a second account, because doing so to settle a difference with an artist who has blocked is immediately deemed as "harassment" by the Deviantart staff, no matter what the reason for contacting the artist is.
If the system stays the way it is now, it should really get removed and the responsibility and decision if someone gets blocked from an artist's page should get handed over solely to the staff.
What do you think?
The Artist thought this was FAIR
10 out of 27 deviants thought this was fair.

The Artist has requested Critique on this Artwork

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CMC--Scootaloo Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
There's something else I have to show in addition to my critique that expands on it.

I'm usually not someone who calls names and makes private messages public, but in this case, and since I wrote that critique up above, it's justified and I want that everyone who comes here gets to see clearly and from first hoof how this system here gets abused and how the people who abuse it think.

This is a conversation I just had with an artist from here, CaptainPudgeMuffin, over on FIMFiction.net, where I called him out for blocking me without an offensive or insulting behavior by me, and where I asked what the fuzz is all about:

imgur.com/TGKlQPr,io8GMmW#1


That's the prime example why this feature shouldn't exist. Artists here are not capable of handling this privilege responsibly.
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ThatWasLeftHanded Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I see the blocking system as an absolute last resort tool.
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CMC--Scootaloo Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
That's good, because it is a last ressort tool
Yet, a lot of artists abuse it, because in every instance where I got a block ignoring my comments and what they didn't like to read would have sufficed.
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CMC--Scootaloo Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
The way this blocking system works here is utter shit and I'm not sorry for saying it as drastic as it is.
It's meant to protect artists here from others here who harass or cyber-bullying them, but at the end of the day, it gets used more often by artists who just can't stand critique or who are arrogant enough to block you "just because they can" then by artists who are really harrassed and want to block the harrassers.
The way the system works right now gives too much opportunities of abuse by the artists who use it and is a power the artists here shouldn't have, as they have proven countless times.
I was just banned from an artist's page just for saying what I thought about one of his picture and his taste about certain jokes and it's not the first time something like this happened.
And if that wouldn't be already worse enough, if an artist has blocked you have literally no way of contacting anymore, which makes it impossible to settle differences.
You can't even make a second account, because doing so to settle a difference with an artist who has blocked is immediately deemed as "harassment" by the Deviantart staff, no matter what the reason for contacting the artist is.
If the system stays the way it is now, it should really get removed and the responsibility and decision if someone gets blocked from an artist's page should get handed over solely to the staff.
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Taltharius Featured By Owner Edited Dec 29, 2014
Shortened form (hope I'm not misunderstanding here):


- It's currently very easy to abuse the blocking system for petty reasons (blocking all except positive critique, for example).

- Some blocks actually do happen due to simple misunderstandings, so the current system of blocking makes it difficult to resolve an error in communication without being tagged as "block evading" by the system.

- Finally, the lack of a "Reason for Blocking" message often makes it difficult to discern exactly why someone got blocked; often, the only indication of being blocked is suddenly finding that you can't comment on a particular artist or their pieces anymore, without prior warning.


...Did I get that right?
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CMC--Scootaloo Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Mostly, yes.

The third part, though, not exactly. Most of the time, you don't need a message to know why you're blocked, you can guess it for yourself, with doing a little thinking what happened shortly before the block.
Only for cases where the block was a misunderstanding a message would be useful, but in my cases, I can guess why it happened.

>>>- Some blocks actually do happen due to simple misunderstandings, so the current system of blocking makes it difficult to resolve an error in communication without being tagged as "block evading" by the system.<<<

That is a major problem too, yes. Some months ago, I found myself banned on the artist page of Atryl and I didn't know why he did that to me.
I had the luck that he has a Tumblr that is mentioned on his profile and wrote him there, to ask why he has blocked me. A few days later, he reacted and removed the block.
But if he wouldn't have had a Tumblr and also no other page, there would have been nothing I could have done about it without the risk of getting banned here and I would still be blocked from his page here.



The thing that concerns me the most is, that I can see a clear trend of it that artists here get spoiled by the privilege of being able to block anyone for every reason from their artist's page.
In this year, beginning at the end of May, I was blocked by 8 (!) different artists here, the most recent one just today/yesterday.
Now you could of course think that I'm the reason for this. That I'm at fault, because I was unfriendly, aggressive, rude, insulting, whatever to these artists.
But that wasn't the case. I'm a very serious critique sometimes and I always say directly what I think, without sugarcoating what I write with phrases like "in my opinion", "sorry, but", "no offense, but", ect. and some of those who blocked me did indeed call this "rude", but the thing is, that was always the way how I commented here on Deviantart.
I already commented in the exact same way here last year, when I began to become active here and to comment on art at the end of March. And it did not earn me a single block.
This year, it suddenly did.
Since the end of May, I got these eight blocks simply because of:

1. Criticizing a fanart and the artist not agreeing on the subject matter/not willing to see the mistake and trying to cover it by silencing me.

2. Having and expressing a different opinion in a discussion.

3. Or calling someone out for bad behavior he/she showed themselves, because the artist couldn't stand it to get personally criticized and that I was in the right with calling him/her out.

4. And one time by a plushie maker (whose name I forgot in the meanwhile) because I defended Onlyfactory and it's bootlegged (but high-quality) plushies, because this artist couldn't stand it that I openly support and defend a company that is a competition to him as a plushie maker.


Things like that did not happen last year, no matter what I said. It's not me who has changed, it's the artist community here.
The artists on Deviantart get more and more spoiled by this feature and start to believe that they have the right to ban anyone for any reason, no matter how petty that reason is, from their pages and this is becoming a real problem.
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Taltharius Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014
Funny thing is, this kind of thing is eerily similar to how the "copyright crusades" are happening; silence any and all "competition/critics" for any and all media, while enforcing all-encompassing monopolies that create intense "content stagnation".

Monopolies effectively grind innovation and creativity to an utter halt. And for an art website like deviantArt, isn't stagnation the complete opposite of what most art is attempting to do??
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CMC--Scootaloo Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly.
But I'm not surprised at all that Deviantart handles it that way.
I had an actual case of slander by another user here a few months ago and reported him to the staff. And what did the staff do? Nothing.
They threw the excuse at me that they can't take measures against this user without a court decision (on THEIR site?!) and that I should just block him on my page.
The staff here does not care about problems that occur, so I'm not surprised that they have thought out that blocking system to give away the responsibility from them to the artists, so that they have less work to do.
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Taltharius Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014
For all we know, deviantArt may have lost its original "founding staff" long ago, and what we're seeing now is what happens when the old legacy sentiments finally die...
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CMC--Scootaloo Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Perhaps. Juding on it that Tsitra360 was banned for no reason, because trolls and haters caught up on him, who have apparently a good connection to the staff, since the staff isn't even listening to him when he tries to clarify the issue, you're probably right.

No matter if the old staff is gone or has just changed, seeing how things go downhill here on Deviantart, the best thing would be a good old revolution and to get all new staff members here.
Unfortunately, like it's the case with everyone who has power, the staff won't give away this power, and I'm not good in leading people in precise protest actions able to make the staff fear the community here and to step back.
I guess the only thing we can do is sitting here and hope that this feature gets removed one day.
Deviantart seems to do a lot of changes lately and quite a few of them don't make the users here happy. Maybe they axe that old-fashioned and outdated block system too very soon?
One can hope.
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Taltharius Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014
Or, better yet, a potential competitor sees the discontent, and the negative feedback (just like ours), and they take a bold chance; try to be what deviantArt once was, and much more.

Where one falls, another shall rise to take its place. At least, I would think that's how it should be, anyway...
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Blocking can be used on very annoying people and bigots. But there is BAWcking, remember that.
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RBLXSakura592ts96 Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014
Blocking is for pussies.
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ThatWasLeftHanded Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I'd rather you don't advertise your YouTube account on my deviations.
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RBLXSakura592ts96 Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014
Umad?
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ThatWasLeftHanded Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Nope.

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ThatWasLeftHanded Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
And?
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Jenny345 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2014
Wow.
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